1. Warming up the Joseph Campbell hero's journey: Click HERE for the heroic note catcher!
2. Recapping Fishbowl expectations:
- Everyone should have his or her Kite Runner book and annotations out. This applies to both the outer and inner circles.
- Reference the text frequently, reading passages aloud and giving people time to find the right page numbers.
- Leaders can and should jump into the discussion as well.
- All participants in the outer circle should include at least one quotation in their blogs to receive full credit.
- Outer circle participants must participate on the blog throughout the entire discussion; you should not disappear for large periods of time.
- If you haven't read, you should not participate in fishbowl. Instead, use this time to read and post on the blog tonight for homework.
3. Entering Fishbowl #1: Chapters 9 and 10
4. Wrapping up the discussion with a "whip-around" (go around the circle and state what went well and/or what we need to improve upon and/or one take away from today's discussion you have regarding The Kite Runner)
HW:
1. Prepare for Thursday's fishbowl by reading and annotating Chapters 11, 12, and 13. START THE READING TONIGHT! Fishbowl leaders should finish this reading tonight so that they have time to prepare a syllabus.
2. Spend a few minutes with the first 10 Kite Runner words. We will play a game with them on Friday instead of having a traditional quiz.
3. Keep bringing your annotations/journals to class so that they can be checked off.
What do you think about the time skip after Hassan left? On page 112 the story skips from 1975 to 1981 and that may just signify time passing or it could mean something more. What do you believe is the meaning of the time jump?
ReplyDeleteMaybe the author felt that the events in between were kind of insignificant.
DeleteI think this might show that even though much time has passed, not much of Amir's regrets have changed.
DeleteThe author could also be skipping it only to comeback to the time later because events in that period could effect later events but are insignificant now.
DeleteNow that Hassan's father knows about what happened to Hassan, what do you think his overall thoughts towards Amir are?
ReplyDeleteI think that Hassan's father is upset with and is more protective of Hassan when he's around Amir. I think that Ali's respect for Hassan is gone but he still treats Amir well because they are working for Baba
DeleteI think that Hassan´s father thinks of Amir just like Amir´s father thinks of Amir, very disappointed.
DeleteHe thinks of Amir as a totally different person now I feel, he probably wants no part in Amir's life at all, he's a total stranger to him now.
DeleteI believe the main reason Ali and Hassan left was because of all of Amir's actions towards Hassan leading up to the day they decided to leave. Amir tried to make it look like Hassan stole from him, he also asked Baba to get rid of Ali and Hassan so he wouldn't have to see them again. Hassan still sacrificed his and his dads job by lying and saying he stole the money (even though he knows that Amir put it there). So I believe Ali really does not like Amir anymore or at least he's very disappointed in him.
DeleteI think that he resents Amir but he doesn't do anything about it because of their higher power, and because they were leaving anyways he didn't do anything about it because it wouldn't matter.
DeleteIn the passage ¨Baba tugged at my sleeve and something glowed green in the dark. Light!(page 122)¨ I think that Baba plays huge role in The Kite Runner. In the Hero´s Journey the Hero loses someone that he/she loves and I think that Baba will be the person that Amir loses.
ReplyDeleteWow that is a good point. I think Baba might die trying to save Amir.
DeleteI also think that Baba plays a big part in this story. In Chapter 10 a russian guard tells the truck full of people trying to cross the border, that the price is 30 minutes with one of the women. Baba stands up and says "I want you to ask this man something, ask him where his shame is" (115) Baba is then told that the soldier will kill him if he doesn't pay the price. Baba still stands up for the young women even when his life is in risk. I think Baba will be standing up for someone later in the book and that might get him hurt or killed.
DeleteWhy does Baba change his personality/mood so frequently? On page 118 Amir states, "Less than two hours ago, Baba had volunteered to take a bullet for the honor of a woman he didn't even know. Now he'd almost choked a man to death would have done it cheerfully if not for the pleas of that same women.
ReplyDeleteI think Baba may be as confused and sad as Amir. Maybe he realizes he's not the best father and he takes his emotions out in different ways.
DeleteI think Baba has his own reasons for his actions that he thinks are just. He would've taken a bullet for the women because he knew that what was going to happen to her was not ok. And he was going to choke Karim because he did something that was unjust.
DeleteI think Baba's mood and personality depends on the situation he is in. Whenever he is with Amir he is very grumpy and distant but when Baba is with others he decides to be kind and brave. I think anytime Baba is in public he tries to be a hero.
DeleteWhy do you think Amir in chapter 9 just lets this all happen? Do you think he wants to just forget everything that happened with Hassan, other than dealing with it?
ReplyDeleteI agree, I think that Amir just wants to forget about what happened and to forget about what happens he frames Hassan of stealing his toys.
DeleteI definitely agree that he just kind of wants to forget it but also as it is revealed to Baba what happened to Hassan and how Amir effected the event he might also want Hassan and Ali out of the house so Baba won't be reminded of what Amir did to Hassan.
DeleteI think that Amir might really want to tell Baba what has happened with Hassan but he is scared to. He most likley does want to forget about what he saw but I think he also wants to change what he did in that situation.
DeleteI think because Baba and Amir don't have a great relationship, Amir never had a good role model to look up to, so even though Amir knows what he did was wrong, he doesn't know how to handle the situation.
DeletePg 115 "But we've paid a fair price already. He's getting paid good money the husband said. Karim and the Russian soldier spoke. He says... he says every price has a tax."
ReplyDeleteDo you think even though Hassan paid the price for the kite that Amir is paying the tax, which could be living with the guilt?
i do feel like Amir is paying the tax from hassan paying the price because Hassan payed a major price but Amir is also having to deal with the aftermath.
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DeleteI feel like Amir is getting most of the guilt because Hassan had something happen to him which was not his fault where Amir could have stopped it
DeleteWhy didn't Hassan tell the truth? If he was packing up and leaving anyways, he had nothing to lose. After everything Amir has done to him, I'm surprised he took blame on his actions again. On page 105, it says, "If he'd said no, Baba would have believed him because we all knew Hassan never lied." Why didn't Hassan just tell the truth because of everything that Amir put him through?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Hassan just did not tell the truth because he was so loyal to his friend Amir and wanted the best for him.
DeleteI'm a little confused on this part of the story as well. If you are correct in saying that Hassan was still loyal to Amir and yet Hassan knew Amir was in the alley. Why is Hassan still loyal to Amir even after Amir didn't help him in his time of need?
DeleteI think Hassan still cherished the relationship he had with Amir. On page 11 Amir states "We took our first steps on the same lawn in the same yard. And, under the same roof, we spoke our first words. Mine was Baba. His was Amir. My name." And in this quote it shows that Hassan was so much more invested in Amir then Amir was with him.
DeleteI agree with what Lyndsey said, I'm very confused. Why would Hassan still want to defend and hang out with Amir, even though he knew Amir saw him in the alley. Maybe Hassan is very scared of Amir and that's why he still respects/defends him.
Deletewhy does Amir think hassan is a bad person when he's not hassan treats him with so much respect and they were friends before the incident happened now he just acts rude to hassan
ReplyDeleteI think that Amir feels guilty seeing Hassan, so Amir is being rude to push Hassan away.
DeleteBecause Amir thinks if he can treat Hassan poorly, it will make it easier to forget the terrible thing he did.
DeleteI agree, Amir doesn't want to be reminded of his actions but at the same time he doesn't want to try to fix them, so he just pushes Hassan away.
Deletei agree with this because they were perfectly fine as friends before the incident and now they are distant.
DeleteI don't think that Amir thinks Hassan is a bad person. I think that it's just Amir pushing Hassan away making Hassan think he's a bad person. However I think that Amir does want Hassan to be a kind of bad person or at least fight back to try to take away some of his own guilt.
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DeleteI think Amir treats Hassan the way he does because he wants to feel like although he did something bad by not helping Hassan he thinks if he can be mean to him and maybe get him to "brake" then he will feel okay about what he did
Deleteon page 114 khaled wrote that the Russian Soldier was sing the Afghan wedding song, why do you guys think the Russian Soldier was singing the Afghan Wedding song.
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I think the Russian might have been singing this Afghan wedding song as a type of mockery. Even though he is taking money to let Afghan's pass through the border, he most likley still hates them and want them to be as sad or embarrassed as possible
DeleteI think this shows the carelessness the Russian Soldier had for the people in the van. He was singing a song as if he was just doing his chores and doing what he was supposed to do and maybe having a good time while doing it.
DeleteWhy did hassan feel like he had to take the blame for the watch and the money if he was leaving and not coming back. He could have just said that everything that he had taken the blame for everything and put all of the blame back on Amir.
ReplyDeleteOn page 67, Hassan says to Amir, "For you, a thousand times over". Hassan was such a great friend to Amir, and would have given anything to make him happy. Why do you think it was so hard for Amir to be nice back to Hassan?
ReplyDeleteI think it was because Amir thought of himself as superior to Hassan. In the book it states several times that Amir only hangs out with Hassan if Amir does not have guest over and when he does have guests over he does not include Hassan.
DeleteI think what Amir saw hurt him so bad mentally, and it was too much for him to handle, so he lied that he didn't see it even though he did. And because he lied the first time, it got harder and harder for him to tell the truth so he probably thought that if he was rude and ignored Hassan, it would be easy for him to forget what really happened.
DeleteI don't think he knows how to treat Hassan because in many scenes for example page 41 while Amir and Hassan were first faced by Assef he almost declined being Hassans friend and referred to him as a servant. Amir also used Hassan being an Hazara as an excuse for allowing him to be raped.
DeleteHe knows what he did was wrong and he thinks that ignoring it will make him forget about his wrong doings.
DeleteWhy did Amir go through with doing this to Hassan? At first when it mentioned that he hid the money and watch in his bed, I thought he was just giving it to Hassan to help them out.
ReplyDeleteI originally thought that Amir was going to share his toys with Hassan, then he framed Hassan instead of stealing his toys and money.
DeleteI think those were Amir's intentions, but after Hassan most likely told his father about the rape and Amir knowing, Ali wanted an excuse to leave because he longer trusted Amir and Amir did not want to admit to Baba that he knew about the rape.
DeleteThroughout chapters 9 and 10 there is a changing dynamic that occurs and a time transition of 5 years. Amir has to overcome the challenges of what he has done. In those five years in between the birthday party at the age of 13 and when he is on of the truck with his father at 18 years old, how do you think those five years changed Amir?
ReplyDeleteI think it has given him a lot of time to think about the past events. He is probably trying to forget about it and move on, even though he still mentions the thought of Hassan.
DeletePersonally, I don't think Amir has changed very much in those 5 years. A lot could've changed in that time, but I don't think he's truly grown and learned from his mistakes. In order for him to change, I think he has to face Hassan and own up to the things he did.
DeleteHow has Amir's feelings towards Hassan changed after the incident? And why? On page 109, Amir said, "I was sorry, but I didn't cry and I didn't chase the car." I know Amir has lots of regrets about what he has done and how he's acting. If he feels so sorry about everything, why does he think it's ok to continue doing this? They were such good friends at the start of the book and it's like Amir was immediately influenced by the society he lives in right after he sees what it's like to be a Hazarra.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this. I think he should have stopped and realized and took responsibility for his actions.
DeleteOn page 120, it explains how Kamal is now, "He had withered- there was simply no other word for it." Did the same events happen to Kamal that happened to Hassan by Assef?
ReplyDeleteWhen it rains after Hassan leaves what do you think it symbolizes?
ReplyDeleteUsually the weather reflects the mood of the situation and I think the rain was just amplifying the sadness of Hassan leaving.
DeleteThat Amir made a huge mistake not telling the truth.
DeleteWould Amir's father shoot himself is Amir died?
ReplyDeleteI do not think Amir's father would shoot himself because Amir's father is a totally different person than Kamal.
Yeah I definitely agree with you. They just don't have a close relationship.
DeleteI think that Baba dosnt like Amir as much as we may think and maybe dosnt even think of him as family
DeleteIn chapter nine on page 109, Amir was thinking, "If this were one of the Hindi movies Hassan and I used to watch, this was the part where I'd run outside, my bare feet splashing rainwater. I'd chase the car, screaming for it to stop. I'd pull Hassan out of the backseat and tell him I was sorry, so sorry, my tears mixing with rainwater. We'd hug in the downpour. But this was no Hindi movie. I was sorry, but I didn't cry and I didn't chase the car." This shows that although Amir is regretful and sorrowful, he doesn't want to get involved.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if he was really feeling regretful, I think he's realizing what has changed during that time. He's aware of what he's doing but he's doing this to hide his regrets. Amir hasn't fully realized what he did wrong yet.
DeleteI dont think Ali, Hassan's father knows that Amir is treating hassan like crap because in chapter 9 Ali says,"the oppurtunity never presented itself last night for hassan and me to give you this, its modest and not worthy of you, Amir agha but we hope you like it still, happy birthday," and that shows Ali doesn't know whats happening between them.
ReplyDeleteBut even if he did know, he couldn't disrespect Amir. He and Hassan are both servants.
DeleteI wonder if Amir feels even more guilty after he see's his Baba stand up for the women. If his dad can stand up to the soldier on gunpoint to protect her from getting raped, but Amir can't stand up for Hassan his friend when he was getting raped and wasn't at gunpoint, does it make him feel even more guilty?
ReplyDeleteYes, I think it makes Amir feel ashamed of himself and thinks of his father Baba of a hero.
DeleteWhat do you think Amir's "return" will be in his hero journey?
ReplyDeleteI think Amir will use his terrible past experiences to help others in the future.
DeleteI think his return will be mending his relationship with Hassan.
DeleteI think he is going to have to face Hassan again and talk about the past events. They will both be older and will both learn from the past.
DeleteI think his return will be his return to Afghanistan because he will have many challenges there
Delete@Shia I think that Amir's feelings toward Hassan have changed in a variety of ways. He first tries to get him out of the picture and in Chapter 9 Amir thinks "Hassan, what am I going to do with you?" Amir wants the regret and feelings to leave so he can focus on himself and his own goals.
ReplyDeleteWell Amir was only 12 when the incident happened so he didn't know how to handle the situation. Plus it would've been three against two. I still think he could've called for help but he was scared and he wasn't sure what to do.
ReplyDeleteI really notice that in both of these texts/movies it seems as if the story is based off of a specific dramatic theme.
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