Focus: What line has Montag drawn for himself, and what are the consequences?
Shortened class due to testing
1. Warming up with a sneak preview of upcoming days!
2. Enjoying F451 Fishbowl #5: Pages 107-119
HW:
1. For FRIDAY: Read pages 119 to 138 in F451; continue annotating / journalling.
2. Optional: Frustrated by the "sameness" of contemporary cities? Watch this TedTalk on how to diversify our landscapes.
When I think of a bird with red and yellow feathers I think of a phoenix which is interesting because I think phoenixes rise out of ashes or something like that.
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DeleteWhy do you think books are compared to birds? Does this have a deeper meaning than just a visual?
ReplyDeleteIn poetry, birds are sometimes the connection between the human, mortal world and the immortal afterlife. I wonder if books can forge that same connection?
DeleteI think the books are being described as flopping around like birds because Montag feels like the stories that they tell are very lifelike and entertaining.
ReplyDeleteA bird with red and yellow feathers reminds me of flames, it is as if a bird is emerging from the flames.
ReplyDeleteLike a phoenix!
DeleteHe describes his wall as empty a thing he looks at everyday has no personality. I think he feels bad while burning the books because he describes them as birds as something with a personality.
ReplyDeleteMontag compares the books burning to birds because birds are a symbol of freedom. I believe he thinks of books as his freedom and a chance to be himself. Watching the books burn is like watching his freedom disappear.
ReplyDeleteWhen Bradbury described the house burning he related the books to birds to, I think, to give them a living characteristic (describes the books as birds). This living characteristic is supposed to increases the significance of the fire burning the books.
ReplyDeleteBooks can be easily described as a change-taking flight, in a sense. It's as if the flames represent something that is being reborn again. The colors of red and yellow allow the reader to discover what is being submerged and what is coming into the light. It's the truth, in which Montag is taking action.
ReplyDeleteThe pages 110-111 the books being burn was described as a beautiful act whereas when the parlor walls were burned it was presented as a horrible act almost as murder. I believe that Bradbury did this to demonstrate how technology would take over our lives and hold a greater significance than knowledge.
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DeleteIt seemed that Montag has been wanting to destroy the parlor for a long time, and he finally had the chance to do so. He describes the walls as emptiness because I feel like they truly meant nothing to him.
ReplyDelete@Leah C, you mention how Montag had the chance to finally complete this action. This shows the risk he was willing to take in order to mend a patch in his life giving him grieve. Do you believe that a society Bradbury had written about would align with this dystopian platform? In other words, could Bradbury's society actually work?
DeleteI think the birds are being used in a symbolic way. How do you think they are being used symbolically if they are?
ReplyDeleteI think describing the books as birds could represent how books almost have their own life and individuality.
ReplyDeletebecause they are so rare and majestic at this point they are referred to as birds
DeleteI think books are compared to birds because birds can fly. Flying is often compared to freedom, and in this book, books resemble freedom. It all connects to each other.
ReplyDeleteWhen Ray Bradbury said the books leapt and danced like roasted birds what does that mean?
ReplyDeleteI feel like birds kind of represent freedom. When Montag burns the books, its like he is burning his freedom.
ReplyDeleteI think if a bird that was red and yellow leapt and danced it would be a symbolize for fire because the wings on a bird are almost like fire changing very fast.
ReplyDeleteWhen Montag describes about the books being burned he says they look like birds but he really doesn't describe the walls when he burns them.
ReplyDeleteI feel like this was long awaited for Montag, he described everything violent and hinted that he wanted everything to get forgotten by just describing that's what it'd be.
ReplyDeleteI feel like I agree with this. He had it all coming for him
DeleteAs Beatty and Montag drove the Salamander, Beatty states "Here we go to keep the world happy, Montag." What is the position that Beatty is taking in this statement? He is clearly not happy as this is reflected later in the text.
ReplyDeleteOn page 1 Montag describes the books as "pigeon winged books" and on page 110 he describes the books as "roasted birds" Why do you think Montag keeps comparing books to birds?
ReplyDeleteI like how the author changed the description of books from pigeon winged books to roasted birds. I think Montag keeps comparing books to birds because bird represent freedom because they can fly anywhere they want and this freedom is also expressed in the stories of books.
DeleteI think he compares the books and the fire they burn in because fire is uncontrollable just like birds there an animal that overall will do what it wants like fire so I think it symbolizes that.
DeleteI think its because books represent flight of imagination of some sort, and Montag realizes it throughout the book.
DeleteI agree with everyone else. I think birds are a big symbol of freedom, and in the instance of him burning the books, the roasted birds symbolize his burning his freedom.
DeleteI feel like he's comparing them to birds because they're in the sky, higher up in a way. Not to sure
DeleteIn the graphic novel when it shows Montag burning his house. His facial expressions really show how hurt he is from being betrayed by his wife and their friends. Do you think this hurt shows any deeper meanings?
ReplyDeleteI think lots of his hurt has to do with him giving up on his wife and also giving up on society.
DeleteClearly at this point, Montag was overwhelmed. Through the graphic novel it's probably portrayed that way to show relief and freedom. Montag probably felt rejected and betrayed by the people he knew. However, he was never really close from early on. There was always this separation. For example, when he is speaking with Faber he eagerly says "I can get books." This shows power and dominance over others.
DeleteI think that he is disappointed in his society and he's hurt because he can't do anything about it.
DeleteWhat's Montag going to do now since he's a wanted fugitive he can't keep running forever.
ReplyDeleteI think he hasn't thought that far into the future I think from what we've read we don't really know if he has a plan but it could seem as of right now he is running from his fears with no idea of how to confront them because he will.
DeleteThe inner circle recently was talking about the hero's journey. How do you think Montag has followed it and how do you think he has strayed from it?
ReplyDeleteReflecting back to last semester, the hero's journey is a traditional route that many "heros" take in fictional writing. What Bradbury has done is set up multiple battles within this one major battle. With the Kite Runner for example Amir faces little challenges that lead up to a bigger ending challenge.
DeleteOn page 90, Bradbury describes the TV show the ladies were watching in the parlor, "...three white cartoon clowns chopped off each other's limbs... jet cars wildly circling an arena, bashing and backing up... Montag saw a number of bodies fly in the air". Why do you think the government plays such violent shows and allows the public to drive recklessly and murder each other?
ReplyDeleteI think now in their society this is normal for them, but we cant really imagine life being this way. I think something brain washed everyone and people cannot be sane in their society.
DeleteIf that were to happen in this day and age i'm 100% sure people wold be mad.... All butthyrt
DeleteWhy do you think Beatty hands Montag the flamethrower and forces Montag to burn his own house?
ReplyDeleteI think Beatty did that to show Montag he broke the rules he was suppose to follow and he should be ashamed of what he's done.
DeleteIt is almost a power move. It is showing them that he controls them. He is trying to break Montag.
DeleteI think Beatty knew he'd turn on him and try to kill him. Maybe he wanted to die?
DeleteThis was purely done to demonstrate dominance and power over Montag. Throughout the novel we've seen Montag hidden in this shadow that Beatty casts, this was just another example of that. Looking through any major text, even within nonfiction this is a common objective. When people feel fearful that they are going to fall out of power or people object them, they are willing to commit irrational actions. For example, in text such as Unbroken "The Bird" a dominant character over the protagonist Louie Zamperini makes Louie do many awful things. This is what creates change and a chance for people to stand up for themselves.
DeleteOn page 113 Montag burns and kills Beatty, is this Montag's turning point into a full fledged "fighter" for books and knowledge?
ReplyDeleteI don't think this is the first time he has made the choice but I do think its the first time he has demonstrated his intentions.
DeleteI don't think he wanted to kill Beatty, but his life was really on the line and Montag thought he had a lot more to live for. Montag even says in the book that Beatty seemed to want to die. It was interesting that Beatty kept talking to Montag even with a flamethrower pointed at him.
DeleteWhat is he running towards there isn't much for him it seems “Watch for a man running” (118)
ReplyDeleteOn page 115 of the graphic novel, right before Montag kills Beatty, Beatty says, "When you're quite finished, you're under arrest." What would have happened if Montag didn't kill Beatty?
ReplyDeletehe probably would have been under arrest
DeleteI think he would have just gone to jail and that would be the end of the story, at some point some mentior has to die to show how the world of the book or the movie works.
DeleteI think this is the moment in which Montag is finally, finally more powerful than Beatty his. He is using his knowledge as a source of power instead of weakness.
DeleteIs it possible that any other fireman could have shared the same ideas with Montag?
ReplyDeleteYes, I think that other firemen could follow Montag's path but I also think that the firemen need an external push like Clarisse.
DeleteOn page 118 Montag said," Where am i running?" after he killed Beatty and his house burned down what are his motives now since he doesn't have the freedom to do anything anymore.
ReplyDeleteI think he is just going to find some place to hide even if he is alone I think he knows it will be better than living where he was where people are brainwashed and have no freedom.
DeleteThat's a great quotation. I think it emphasizes how he was on a guided but false path before, and now that he's lost, he can actually be on a journey towards something meaningful.
DeleteWhat happened to Mildred? What's she gonna do now?
ReplyDeleteSo far we've seen knowledge work for good and bad. We've seen Montag become someone who stands for books, and we've seen knowledge turn Beatty against books. What do you think the difference is? What makes Beatty so against books and Montag want to stand up for books?
ReplyDeleteI think Beatty was just following his orders and being the person to look up to in their society. As for Montag he knows what right and decide to break the rules of society.
DeleteHow long is this chase after Montag going to last?
ReplyDeleteWhat originally brought Montag to be so completely infatuated with Clarisse?
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