Focus: What is the relationship between technology and the quality of human life?
Shortened class, lengthened TRIBE
1. Warming up with the results of your technology survey and offering you the Bradbury challenge!
2. Enjoying our third fishbowl discussion of Fahrenheit 451: Through page 88
3. Wrapping up with your questions, kudos, and epiphanies
HW:
1. FOR FRIDAY: Read and journal through page 106 in F451; leaders should prepare and post their syllabus.
2. FRIDAY MARKS THE END OF THE 12-WEEK GRADING PERIOD. Please submit any make-up work / revised work (including your Macbeth essays) from the last 6 weeks.
3. Stay true to your Bradbury Challenge!
What are some of the most important themes youve seen in the book?
ReplyDeleteI think one very important theme is truth
DeleteI've seen a major and continuing theme of censorship and rules and punishment. The book's story revolves around owning and reading books being illegal. "We burned an old woman with her books" (pg 47)
DeleteI think one of the most important themes is bravery. It is very brave of Montag, a fireman, to steal the very thing that his job tells him to burn. He steals books,and at first hides them out of fear of hat would happen if he reads them. Eventually he overcomes his fear of the books and he starts to read them. Without bravery Montag never would have stole and read books, and this story wouldn't exist.
DeleteI think the most prominent theme in the book is enlightenment. Through all of Montag's recent experiences he has learned the truth of his society.
DeleteIn the book it says, “How many copies of the bible are left in this country” (71). In your opinion do you think its okay for people to burn religious books?
ReplyDeleteTo me it's the person's choice really because if you aren't religious then you really don't care but if you're super religious then you might be like no you can't do that.
DeleteHow has Clarisse influenced Montag to take these risks? He is beginning to go against everything he previously stood for and is doing so in such a short time. Beside his curiosity and guilt, what have books grown to mean to him?
ReplyDeleteOn page 41 of the graphic novel when Montag is told about Clarisse's death then that kind of pushes him over the edge to go and start reading the books he has kept.
DeleteI think Montag was already thinking about the things he hated about the world he lived in before he met Clarisse. Once he met her and realized that true happiness existed, he took risks and strived to be happy and experience joy.
DeleteDo you think that the woman who burned with her books is the only motivation for Montag's rebellion?
ReplyDeleteI think he has other things that he has considered at one point to motivate him that we will continue to find out throughout the book.
DeleteI don't think so I also think his old neighbor also influenced him because of how they think so differently then he does.
DeleteNo I think that is one factor. I think Clarisse really started him thinking differently, and then the lady killing herself was the final straw.
DeleteI believe Clarisse and Faber also have a large impact on Montag's decisions because they showed him what it is like to be different. He had a sudden turn on what he knows and is finally realizing the right thing to do.
Delete"But Clarisse's favorite subject wasn't herself. It was everyone else, and me. She was the first person in a good many years I've really liked." I think Clarisse is who pushed him to be more open-minded and that women is what pushed him fully into that path. However, I don't think she is a significant part of why he continues on his rebellion at this point. I believe Montag has found his missing piece in books and his love for that knowledge is why he keeps pushing forwards.
DeleteI feel like Clarisse's death helped him do what he did.
DeleteNo probably not he's probably starting to realize that what the firemen are doing is not for a good cause
DeleteWhy did Montag keep the Bible but then start ripping pages out of it?
ReplyDeleteI think Montag was ripping the Bible to show Faber that he needed help to understand and spread the knowledge held in books.
DeleteI think he started tearing the pages is because he is desperate for Fabers help and knows he can't win without him.
DeleteI think Montag rips out the pages in frustration because he is beginning to want to understand and he wants others to be able to understand as well. I also think that he is trying to prove the point that destroying books isn't going to make that knowledge go away completely.
DeleteI think Montag started tearing the pages out of a bible to symbolize what society has done to his world. He is trying to show Faber that society has ripped out the right to knowledge and Happiness by taking away books.
DeleteIt is human nature to want to understand things, and as our bodies grow our mind develops further and is able to break down more complex situations. His human nature is pushing him to question the world.
ReplyDeleteIs Montag more influenced by the inspiration of books or the fear of turning into a societal normal figure like his wife Mildred?
ReplyDeleteI don't really know if books themselves inspire him. I think the idea behind books inspires him. I think he is seeing that if people are willing to die instead of give up books, they must be more than just worthless paper. The government must be hiding something.
DeleteI think Montag is influenced by books much more than he is by his wife. He is willing to risk his life and his job over many books including the Bible, but he doesn't stop to think about what happens to his wife if people find out she is helping him read books. Montag also goes to an old english professor to get help finding books, and he leaves his suicidal and sad wife at home alone.
DeleteKyle, what do Montag's fears include?
DeleteMildred love's watching T.V. and getting lost in the episodes of her show. In the book she says " They are my family" (p54) when talking about the people on the T.V. Why would books be banned but not T.V. when they are both forms of entertainment?
ReplyDeleteMaybe this is because the government can control better what is put on the TV.
DeleteI agree with that, I feel like the government controls the shows on the T.V. and authors for the most part control what they put in their books.
DeleteI think this can also be connected to what North Korea is doing as far as controlling the internet and what people have access to.
DeleteOn page 76 Faber is wary of letting Montag into his house. He is also described as ¨fragile and very much afraid¨. Why do you think Bradbury made him seem so cowardly? What do you think made Faber into the man he is today?
ReplyDeleteBradbury almost made Faber's lack of faith and courage to mock his physical state, as an old and fragile man like you mentioned before.
DeleteI think that Faber has been through something in the past that involves going against the rules.
DeleteWhat are the walls when the book says, “I can't talk to my wife she listens to the walls” (78)?
ReplyDeleteI think it is talking about the televisions
DeleteI think it is talking about the alarm system
DeleteDo you think Montag and Faber are going to cause any sort of change where books are legal again?
ReplyDeleteI think that they will do everything they can to rebel against these laws.
DeleteProbably not because most people are brainwashed into thinking books are bad and burning them is for a good cause.
DeleteOn page 72 Mildred says to Montag, "You've got to hand it back tonight, don't you? Captain Beatty knows you got it, doesn't he?" This shows that Mildred doesn't want Montag to get in trouble. Do you think that if Captain Beatty didn't know of it she would be more supportive?
ReplyDeleteFaber feels as if he has failed himself and society. "Mr. Montag, you are looking at a coward. I saw the way things were going, a long time back. I said nothing. I am one of the innocents who could have spoken up and out when no one would listen to the 'guilty'" this quote explains that he himself now feels "guilty" because he hadn't done anything.
ReplyDeleteOn page 77, Montag claims, "'My wife's dying. A friend of mine's already dead. Someone who may have been a friend was burnt less than twenty-four hours ago.'" Montag meant this quite literally, how do you think Ray Bradbury uses the analogy of death with the use of technology?
ReplyDeleteI think Bradbury is trying to make a statement about how technology is killing our sense of happiness and belonging. He wants to warn people of what our society can become if we keep on trying to use technology to restrict people, it´ll eventually kill individuality
DeleteIn the graphic novel, Faber tells Montag, "Mr. Montag, you are looking at a coward. I saw they way things were going, a long time back. I said nothing. I'm one of the innocents who could have spoken up..." What is it that Faber could have done? Why does he feel like a coward?
ReplyDeleteHe feels like a coward because he didn't step up and question authority.
DeleteDoes this community allow religion if not do they all have one single religion or does religion overall make people different and isn't allowed?
ReplyDeletegood question! idk if they do have religion must most likely not because of all the wars started and they want people to be equal.
Deletewhen faber says that he feels like a coward he means this quite literally. he is scared of what will happen to him if he helps montag, he might not own the books but he is still an acomplice to crime
ReplyDeleteHe's scared
DeleteWhen Faber was younger, do you think he felt differently about the world around him? Was it different?
ReplyDeleteWhy does Mildred seem o brainwashed and mindless?
ReplyDelete*so*
DeleteDo you think the government and the firemen had something to do with Clarisse's death? F451 reminds me a lot of Harrison Bergeron when Beatty says, "The poor girls better off dead... We know how to nip most of them in the bud, early"(58).
ReplyDeleteI think that Taber is ashamed, he knows that himself against the world wouldn't be plausible.
ReplyDeleteOn page 79 Montag said," then you don't care anymore you won't help me," Montag said that to Faber but he thought Montag was trying to fool him do you think that's happened before?
ReplyDeleteKnowledge is always something people crave and reading is one of the best outlets to hear so many different things you have been curious about. However, this society is beginning to lose their love for learning as time goes on. On page 69, Mildred says, "Books aren't people. You read and I look all around, but there isn't anybody!" While knowledge is always something to look for, too much of one thing can quickly dominate your life. Mildred might be saying that Montag is letting his new obsession change his entire life and he isn't seeing everything around him that's real. Do you think Bradbury is showing books as we see technology?
ReplyDelete"Denham's Dentifrice," What is this?
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